However, it is more the fact that golfers are playing courses that are too long relative to club speed and skill level. I played Monday and hit my 1st 3 drives over 300 and in the fairway. You could take my woods and irons and pair it with Phil's wedge play and Stricker's putter and I'd be an average PGA tour player. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Spin Rate - 2200 rpm[/background][/size][/color] G.O.A.T.? Trap draw? That's not Justin, that's Johnny. Sometimes I will hit a 270 once or twice a round maybe and then two or three more at 240, but I will mix in a few bad ones at 190 with a hook or a slice and the rest will be at least 215 to 220. My SM8 wedges are a few years old and have played over the recommended 75 rounds. By adding 10 yards to every shot hit by the AMA from 160 yards, the percentage of shots that would hit the green increases from 38.5% to 44.0% and the average distance from the target decreases from 71.8 feet to 60.6 feet. I also shot 86. I've had the privilege of playing with and watching tour players in person, so I know what they're capable of. The 58 is versatile in shot options and with the change of grind from D to M I had an increase in performance. Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. Pro Modus 3 Tour 105 S, Wedges: Callaway Jaws (54-10S, 58-10S), Titleist Vokey Design SM6 (62-08M) Is the dispersion linear, eg at 176 yards is it the same proportion at 88 feet or more? Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. I know what you are thinking, there is a lot that goes into making a wedge. [/quote] Or should i take control on the distance i have? [/quote] [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364403614' post='6707409'] And I suppose they hit it relatively far, but nearly the distances that the public thinks. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Graeme started playing golf when he was only 4 years old and has loved the game ever since. The following is Torrey Pines South, where golfers line up each morning for a chance to play one of Americas 100 Greatest Public Courses (Golf Digest). Little higher launch, still low spin into the wind, and much easier to swing day in and day out. They hit a 3-wood an average carry distance of 249 yds, a 5-wood 235 yds and 3-hybrids 230 yds. Club Speed 113 mph Ball Speed 166 mph Attack Angle -1 deg Launch Angle 12 deg Spin Rate 2298 rpm Artisan MT Grind (58) DG S400 Your link has been automatically embedded. Sorry for the ramble. I don't play professional golf. 2 vs 3 vs 4 Hybrid Distances, How Far Should I Hit My Irons? As golf instruction and coaching continue to move more towards verifiable data (what the instructor/coach knows) and further away from guess and check (what the instructor/coach thinks), we expect to see more improvement in the golf community. I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. 2 were over 320. We share your golf passion. Add That Little Extra Limited also participates in other affiliate programs with FlexOffers, CJ, Svorn and other sites and is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies (again at no cost to you). I bet your average golfer on your average course doesnt hit more than 160-175. Through such initiatives as the Justin Thomas Youth of the Year Leadership Academy with the Boys & Girls Club of Kentuckiana, USA Cares and the First Tee, Justin is committed to showing compassion, displaying kindness, and making a difference in the world. But if you can hit it 275 on your home muni track, that is at least 290 on a tour track with manicured fairways and perfect level tee boxes to hit from. PING i210 (4i-UW) DG X100 At just 29-years old, he can lay claim to 2 Major victories, a FedEx Cup Championship, PLAYERS Championship and a PGA TOUR Player of the Year Award. More importantly, however, Justins time on the course where his mother and father both worked taught him about responsibility, passion, ethics, camaraderie, and hard work. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. I have also never heard a beginner or poorer striker of the golf ball say I need to lower my ball flight which is what these are said to do. I think some of you think too highly of yourselves & don't give tour players enough credit. May I ask how many of them have 120 mph swing. Elite level Trackman Golf Coaching from Expert & Award winning coaches, Scott and Jamie Howarth. The AMA is far from efficient with his driver. Taylormade Spider X Chalk SS. Ever found a yardage you like? DShawn Johnson Ball Speed- 176.38 average, 179.45 high That is why you will find some pros wedges measured up to 0.5 or even 0.25 when listed and it is also likely that some of the actual strengths of the wedge lofts they use may in reality be stronger (i.e. Try a par 3 course (18 holes) of any length and compare your results to your handicap. Required fields are marked *. Yes! If golfers are to continue playing the same length tees, then optimizing their driver distance is going to be key to enhancing their performance. Not As Much As You Think! 5 0 obj Does Trackman update this data each year? Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. So much so that if I'm 220 out, a distance I can reach with a perfect 5 wood, ill hit to 50, pitch, putt, par and drive you insane. Only 0.4% of the average male amateur population is above a club speed of 115 mph. There is no age or nationality restriction for the AMA. Your email address will not be published. Justin Thomas and Excel Sports Management are not responsible for lost, stolen or damaged items. 2 were over 320. The AMA has an average club speed of 93.4 mph and an average total distance of 214 yards. =t 'BRvGGs.Du="dP0 J/% Np^=+,5I,F5HH#418y\PuQ5) x9.>5?2P5@B$bz.k^OY<>Vf.%,(H8,~f3YzWBpj|!8K^E`$D &XP9gBTl+= Tg{\(k@bW6o9e:&x$hx"o0@:+}UnMD($R*3|>M}18&oA>m Ed&Z):Y{J|'@*bT6|QNbge2RU'02_^^{ The following graph shows a plot of the AMAs shots from 160 yards. [quote name='J.W.' I'll pass. [/quote] Golf Balls are a Problem, Most Popular Driver on LPGA Tour? Tiger Woods Trackman numbers, I thought they were posted on here at one time from an event. 14* SLDR // Speeder 8.3x wrong? It's not the length that makes a pro. I know I'm not a short hitter & I know there's a ton of bs on this board. ?, G#"% y\$)3(Q|1$xNyt7"g \)hEhH-hFtL+x Yes, the TrackMan Combine data is extremely valuable for identifying weaknesses that can be improved, but it is just as (arguably more) important for identify strengths that the golfer can play to without having to spend any additional time practicing. Here are Tiger's averages for this season on shots that were measured: The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. If I slow it down some and shoot for 280-290, I hit more fairways. [quote name='jeffrey08250' timestamp='1364360280' post='6704435'] My question is my average D is +5.3, 6I is +3.5 and 8I is +2.1. [/quote] Top 100 Player Analysis. The handicap system is equally misleading as the vast amount of amateur golfers dont have a handicap, and if they did, they would be 36.4. On top of that it drew me feeling like unless I can hit it 250 every time and at least shoot in the low 90s from the Blue I might as well just give golf up. This philosophy has been a revelation to me. I can say that Trackman is second to none, and its always my first recommendation to others. Trackman is obviously simply a tool for fitting & in no way plays any part on your actual game. Including a personal best one under 35 for nine. That tells Thanks to this impressive article, they will help more and more those who want to play golf. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] I visited Hillside GC practice ground to have a full custom fitting session with the new SM9s. Its important to know what grass you play, what course you play (be it links or parkland) and how you deliver the club at impact (steep or shallow). 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, 2023 HSBC Women's World Championship (Mar 02 - 05), Byron Morgan best for your balls DH89 & the elusive DBCM 8802, TWO PUTTERS - ONE POST. I think those numbers are a little high. It's not the length that makes a pro. Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Thats 95 extra yards, putting the actual distance of the drive under neutral conditions around 340 Ive tried this with many people and they shoot about their handicap. My longest drive was 270. The following graph shows the distribution of AMA Driver club speeds. Another added complication when it comes to comparing the distances that the pros hit their wedges is the differing lofts each of them often carries for seemingly the same club. However the pros have what is called a stock yardage for their irons, which equates essentially to the average distance they will hit a full shot with each iron swinging normally. [/quote] I don't measure my driver distance. Someone will probably come in and explain what he should do to improve those numbers.. Callaway Paradyme Tensei 1K 70 I have shot level round the chammpionship course on occasion also though. I guess if you don't play with guys that are good, it's understandable. These high-level numbers of course dont always tell the whole story as the pros like us are faced with an infinite variety of golf shots which dont always mean they are hitting each club as far as they possibly can for every shot. I also play at a local par 3 course which holds the junior par 3 championship and I have shot 7 under around the par 3 course. This site is owned and operated by Add That Little Extra Limited, a private limited company whose registered office is in London, UK. The way forward has to be more tighter averages with the driver maximising my best yardage from the swing speed I have. also his AoD on the stinger. People that dwell on the fact that other people like to know their distances are funny. What Irons Do the Pros Use? If it was published in a journal as well, please could you direct me to where I could find it. 4 -PW: Callaway Apex MB, KBS $ taper 130X, Wedges - Jaws raw 50, 54, 59 KBS $ taper 130x, Putter- Odyssey Vesa 12 center stroke lab shaft. People like you that rant about longer amateurs is what makes for good laughs. All rights reserved, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Charles-Lambert-video-2.mp4, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Justin-Thomas-2.mp4, https://justinthomasgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/20220908_125734.mp4. Trackman golf terms: What Trackman results mean Club head speed: Club head speed is the speed that the club head is traveling at when it makes impact with the ball. I take most info in many sections of this board with a grain of salt. While these yardages will give you a general guide as to how far pros hit their wedges it is important to remember how particular all the pros are about these clubs especially. What is the speed? By Justin is committed to showing benevolence and grace to children in need, with the goal of bolstering their confidence, strengthening their determination, and allowing them great possibilities. The driver is almost always the most talked about golf club in everyone's bag. I went into a facility with Trackman launch monitors and have attached I like to look at his averages on the tour seems to be more realistic data that is actually in play on tour. [/quote] I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. WebIn 2018, Justin was just the 21st player to ever reach #1 in the Official World Golf Rankings following his WGC win in Memphis. Thanks for posting. [quote]I don't measure my driver distance. 52* & 58* Callaway MD2 // S-300 I once read that if all golfers had to count every stroke they took, and appropriate penalty shots, only 10 percent could legitimately break a 100. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. The difference in a lot of longer amateurs and pros is control. Mike Austins Secret Release Move to Multiply Your Clubhead Speed. How to gain more distance without swinging faster? Foley was talking about him hitting 8-9* down when playing his stinger. Most golfers think that the guys on the PGA Tour hit the ball incredibly long. He has an average attack angle of -1.6 degrees. But then on the next hole when they come back down the hill with the wind behind them, they all go 340. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Most of the guys I play/practice with are +2 to 5 handicaps. The goals of the Justin Thomas Foundation reflect the altruistic aspirations of the Thomas family. What I find funny is the number of people on here that think it's ridiculous that an amateur golfer claims to have similar numbers to a professional. [quote name='baseballfrk8998' timestamp='1364403832' post='6707431'] The performance of these wedges really was impressive. Greater distancethe eternal quest for golfers. Mr Vokey has listened and gone on to design a wedge with the feedback of those players in mind. Lj\gUk':Q9d P\Ko?#sU;:MRk;'FTz![]wJQRL/"&Xp]q%F"S4y_fY;<5PemA,YosVrs>l6:cc The respective games the AMA and professional golfers play today are two entirely separate entities and should be treated as such. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]8.5* Driver[/background][/size][/color] Well, they say that If you practice more and more youll get better and better. Some of us didn't have the means or access to learn and play a lot of golf when we were Teeball aged. [color=#ff0000]I'd really like to see Tiger's path and face numbers too among others especially seeing how far left he aims at times. Not sure how you measure it down to the exact yard on an average driving range. Their drives seem to always go miles and I dont know about you but Im always checking myself to think whether I indeed heard the commentator correctly that they are actually hitting that high an iron for that 200+ yard approach shot. Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X, 3-wood: TaylorMade Stealth 2 Plus (15 degrees @ 14) Their experiences, time away from family, and willingness to sacrifice their lives for our freedom has truly made an impact on Justin. 6 0 obj Grip: SuperStroke, Driver: Titleist 917 D3 (10.5 degrees @12) Hcap 5 will be around 68. 913 HD For example, based on the average club speed of the AMA (93.4 mph) he should be able to hit his driver 255 yards (assuming certain ground conditions). I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. And as it is highly unlikely even the best pros in the world never want to hit their driver as far as they can so it is clearly the club we are going to get the best idea of the maximum distance they hit the ball. a lower loft) or a touch weaker (i.e. WebThis is Justin Thomas TrackMan Numbers How does yours Compare? It's the short game. That's what I think. And this is where taking the TrackMan Combine and going through a Find Your Distance session is so valuable. A look at Brooks Koepkas yardage book below gives us a great insight into this and highlights how many types of shots pros can play with their irons. I have played golf for 22 years. Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400. I wouldn't take a trackman stat to the bank. Most golfers I know are happy to drive the ball 200 yards and keep it in the fairway. Unless of course it's short enough to hit the 3 wood or driver at the green. President & CEO, Boys & Girls Clubs of Kentuckiana, Brent Paladino Its Not About the Equipment. My average distance was 235-245. As you can guess my improvement has now become dependent on driver efficiency and distance. Dont be that person, as how your club interacts with the turf is more vital in wedges than with any other club. Probably because he plays a higher spin ball than most. That's what I think. I seem to have the same speed as pro women and they are playing the same distances that I am but scoring way way lower with a game built from precision over speed. But if you take the averages over a season you are going to get more than a good idea of how far the pros are hitting each club. If I have a front pin with a hard green, I would go at it harder with the shorter club, maybe a 150 yard pitching wedge. I grabbed the 46 degree to see if I could finally be that 3 wedge Vokey golfer, it was so good I asked for an entire iron set of Vokeys. Its a whole different story. Dont think they ever release that stuff. I cant hide my excitement and love for a Vokey wedge and it doesnt change on these. Shaft: Graphite Design Tour AD IZ 95 X Hybrid, Irons: Titleist T100 (3-9) I, and many amateur golfers I play with on a regular basis, have the ability to hit the ball a long way. Short hitter compared to the average WRXer [/quote] I think the difference is practice, practice and more practice. I recently had my swing analyzed and would like to share the results so that maybe someone could explain this in simpler terms. Thanks! What is fascinating also though as you dig more into the figures is the distance control options the best players in the world have with almost every club in their bag! Launch angle was between 17-22. Cameron Napa California @ 34"[/b]. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. The numbers posted above are cool to me because you can see Tiger hits balls on the range like he does on the course. The AMA is capable of carrying the ball much further than his current total distance. It will make it a lot easier to give a qualified answer if we have all the numbers :-). The longest player hits it 320 yards on average and the longest recorded drive in 2022 is 460 yards. [color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(229, 228, 226)]Ratio - 1.48[/background][/size][/color] Don't doubt the ability of some people to produce similar numbers to the pros. Shafts: KBS Tour 125 S+, Wedges: TaylorMade Milled Grind 3 (50-09SB, 54-11SB, 60-08LB) [/quote] Web2/27/2012 Justin Rose COMBINE TEST 1 | TrackMan www.trackman.dk TEST INFO Date:2/27/2012 Name:Justin Rose DOB:7/30/1980 Hcp:+5 Mode:Outdoor Location:Lake Nona Temp:78 F Wind:0-5mph Notes: TOTAL SCORE Driver Statistics (avg.) Ball Speed 176.38 My home course is around 6200 so I can work around not bombing it off the tee but it is perplexing to me. A lot of guys come from athletic backgrounds too, and maybe took up the game at an older age. For example, I could average over 300 yards per round during the summer with a driver. WebJustin Thomas TrackMan Numbers Congratulations to Justin Thomas with his latest victory at the Dell Technologies Championship, well played! There are three finishes available in SM9: Tour Chrome (matte), Brushed Steel (shiny) and Jet Black (matte). For those of you interested in how these averages compare to individual pros we have listed in the table below the average stock carry yardages for a selection of the top pros when it comes to how far they hit their driver. Launch Angle 11.28 [quote name='govols' timestamp='1364353617' post='6703853'] GHIN reported the average male handicap at 15.3 in 2003 and 14.3 in 2012. I'm 6'3, in pretty good shape and played baseball my entire life.
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